Vehicle tax and registration

[NigelBush]

Hi
Trying to fill in the application for registration and road fund license. My car is a Cabrio Sierra based 2L DOHC engine dated 1990
None of the answers requested are on the IVA pass certificate
Where do I find
HC (g/km or g/kWh)

Co2 (g/km)

I need this information also to calculate the annual tax due

I did think that passing the IVA was the difficult part !!

Any suggestions would be much appreciated

Nigel

[milliemarlin]

Re: Vehicle tax and registration

Hi Nigel, congratulations on passing the IVA.
I can't remember needing to know those answers after the SVA. They are now on my car's V5.Do those numbers get passed between the departments directly? If not they probably match the engine doner's V5. They aught to be happy if the engine number is consistent.
Paul

[chris_cussen]

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Hmm. Well when my Cabrio (the first Marlin ever to do it) went through IVA I left the engine related info blank on the form. So I left it blank on the vehicle reg form too. To this day my V5 is blank over the emisions etc.
My DOHC engine had no identifying number on it, I seem to remember it was supposed to be on a sticker on the front of the engine, so its age could not be established directly, however I had kept the VIN plate from the donor and also had a photo of the engine in the donor car so I managed to convince the examiner of the engine age.
Chris

[milliemarlin]

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Hi Chris, as an aside to the core question. What tax do you pay and what does your MOT man use as criteria? My car was Sporting a Pinto at SVA and the emissions and hence tax is based on that. It irks me somewhat because it's current engine has a cat and lower emissions that should qualify for lower tax.
Paul

[chris_cussen]

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Hi Paul,
I pay £24.50 per month, I think the annual rate is £250 but there is a premium charged for using direct debit.
MOT emissions have been really contentious. Car on age related plate, date of first registration 2009, note on V5 saying was previously used/registered. Then an engine change from DOHC to Zetec with a Cat.
I’ve had a garage refused to issue an MOT because they didn’t know what test to apply.
Another failed it with the DOHC engine because the date of first registration was 2009 and they thought it should comply to a 2009 built car with a Cat.
Finally I’ve found a garage who have taken the pragmatic view that is a kit car and only needs a smoke test
Chris

[milliemarlin]

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I have a very similar situation. My road tax is £280 August this year. I don’t understand why it is more than yours. My original engine was 2.0L. I assume as they gave me an age related plate the emissions were copied from the donor car.

I use a local garage for its MOT. They know me and the testers accept my explanation for testing criteria. Every so often they hire a new tester who may not be familiar with the rules. This is exacerbated because the first registered date matches the current engine age of 2005. To head this off I always take a photo copy of the V5 and an extract from the “MOT inspection manual: cars and passenger vehicles” found here:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/8-nuisance

Vehicles fitted with a different engine

If a vehicle first used before 1 September 2002 is fitted with an engine that’s older than the vehicle, you must test it to the standards applicable for the engine. The vehicle presenter must have proof of the age of the engine.

If a vehicle first used on or after 1 September 2002 is fitted with a different engine, you must test it to the emissions standards for the age of the vehicle.

For emission standards on kit cars, read further.
Kit cars

Kit cars and amateur-built vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1998 must have either Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) or Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA).

You must test kit cars or amateur built vehicles to the limits in the vehicle’s registration document (V5c). If the V5c does not show any limits, you must test it to the limits of the engine fitted at the time of the SVA or IVA test.

Nigel, do you have the V5c for the donor vehicle. If so does it show the emissions? Or can you find your vehicle listed in:

DVSA (Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency) In Service Exhaust Emission Standards for Road Vehicles

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/676700/in-service-exhaust-emission-standards-for-road-vehicles-19th-edition.pdf

It does list two Sierra DOHC engines:

Sierra Engine Type DOHC (Use engine code found on front of engine not on VIN plate)
2.0l Engine Code N9C 0.5 925 0.3 200 0.95 1.09 3100 802800825
Sierra Engine Type DOHC (Cosworth)
2.0l Engine Code N5*

I hope someone with IVA experience can clarify actual process for Nigel.
Paul

[dave_kitson]

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From my experience (3 cars through SVA, none IVA), there are three dates that are of significance.

1. Registration number is based on age of main donor, eg 1987 Sierra would mean an E-prefix registration, but you won't get the donor registration. The age-related number usually requires the V5 of the donor as proof of age, and points are allocated for various components. The engine does not count for much, so it is possible to get enough points even if a Rover V8 is fitted instead of the Ford engine. If you don't have the donor V5, or major components have been sourced from various vehicles (not usually the case with the Cabrio), then you will get a non-transferable Q-plate.

2. Date of first registration on the V5 is the date the SVA was passed, or shortly after when all the paperwork has been processed. This then governs the age of the Marlin, and therefore means an MoT is not required until three years after that. This was certainly the case for SVA - I have it in writing from Swansea - but this loophole may have been closed for IVA.

3. Emissions are based on the age of the engine block, so that needs proof from the manufacturer or owners club or specialist engine builder. I established that my Rover V8 was originally fitted to a low-compression Range Rover exported to Scandinavia in 1971. So despite having a full rebuild with some extra goodies, the emissions are tested to 1971 standards. Under Special Notes on the V5 it should say something like SVA/IVA CERT ISSUED 28 04 2005 EMISSION LIMIT - %CO 4.5, HC 0.12. Without this, the MoT tester will test to standards relevant to date of first registration. You may need to chase DVLA to get this shown on the V5, as unfortunately not enough of their staff have any knowledge of kit-cars.

As regards road tax, this depends on age as well as engine size or claimed emissions from the manufacturer. Prior to about 2005 (date of first registration), the taxation bands are very different, and based on different criteria, to now. You should be able to work out what applies to your car from the DVLA website.

Hope that helps - Dave

[NigelBush]

Re: Vehicle tax and registration

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply
Happy Christmas

Hi Nigel, congratulations on passing the IVA.
I can't remember needing to know those answers after the SVA. They are now on my car's V5.Do those numbers get passed between the departments directly? If not they probably match the engine doner's V5. They aught to be happy if the engine number is consistent.
Paul

[NigelBush]

Re: Vehicle tax and registration

Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply Do you therefore have an age related number plate? and how did you calculate the tax required?
Thank you again Have a good Christmas Nigel

[NigelBush]

Re: Vehicle tax and registration

Oppps Sorry Chris your second email answered my first question but how did you arrive at the rate of £250.00 Nigel

[NigelBush]

Re: Vehicle tax and registration

Hi Paul
Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply
My engine code is N9A and that does not appear to feature in the publication that you mention
In the first document 8.2.1.2 under emissions testing it seems to say that Q plated vehicles should be treated as first used before 1.8.75 which it seems to contradict later in the publication .
The emissions per km must surly be less for the Cabrio than for the Sierra on the basis that is is considerably lighter and one would therefore think that it is not working as hard !??
Many thanks
Nigel

[chris_cussen]

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Hi Nigel,
My tax works out at £294 PA. paid by direct debit.
My car has an age related plate.
Info about your engine can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_I4_DOHC_engine
Chris

[milliemarlin]

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According to Haynes the difference between an N9A and the N9C, shown in the list, is that the second one has a catalytic converter. So you certainly should not use those numbers.

I am sure that the IVA includes measurement of emissions because I know cars have failed to meet that criteria. It might be worth a call to the Test Centre to find out if they can supply the figures.

A merry Christmas to you.
Paul

[chris_cussen]

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N9A engines are non-cat fuel injected. The IVA tester should test to that criteria.
In addition the age of your engine, and hence the criteria for testing can be determined by its age. This guide should allow you to work that out from your engine number. https://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-g...ure-dates.html
I convinced my examiner of the engine age my showing him that table and the VIN plate from the donor.

[NigelBush]

Re: Vehicle tax and registration

Thank you to everyone for your very helpful replies
Happy New Year to all
Nigel